A whole lot of English Bad Losers are whining that they where cheated by the video ref in the Rugby World Cup final against South Africa, a game South Africa won by a margin of 9 points (15 – 6), more than a converted try if you think about it. Just to shut them up, here follows the cold, hard evidence that Cueto was in fact out before he grounded the ball. Pictures showing his foot on the line, unlike the Mail on Sunday’s pictures of an emotional Harry Windsor as proof that it should have been a try (I still don’t get how that proves anything). Oh, and then the last picture just to show John Smit holding up the cup, confirming South Africa as World Champions for the next 4 years.
Click on the pictures for larger versions.
Cueto’s foot clearly touches the white line. He’s out!
Even clearer in the next frame, his toes are on the line. Why don’t they just do it like this in the games I wonder? If the TV ref can look at a frozen frame like this, there would be very little doubt in these cases.
Advance to the next frame, and only then can you see his foot lifting from the ground.
All the evidence anyone needs.
Oktober 21, 2007 at 18:52
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Oktober 21, 2007 at 23:17
Sadly for the ‘bitter boks’ those frames are inconclusive anyway. They are from the wrong angle. The touch judge is the best positioned person to judge that and his flag remained resolutely down. The ref was going to give it too before the aussie did the dirty. SA won on points but lost on everything else. Like the rest of the southern hemisphere, just very very bitter at not being from the sophisticated north and even more jealous of not being English. Kid yourselves you are world beaters – England were rubbish and still deserved the win!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 8:19
Main Entry: delusion
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: misconception
Synonyms: apparition, blunder, casuistry, chicanery, daydream, deception, deception, deceptiveness, dream, eidolon, error, fallacy, false impression, fancy, fantasy, figment*, fool’s paradise*, ghost, hallucination, head trip*, ignis fatuus, illusion, lapse, mirage, misapprehension, misbelief, mistake, oversight, phantasm, phantom, pipe dream*, self-deception, shade, speciousness, spuriousness, trickery, trip, vision
Antonyms: reality
Notes: 1. allusion is an ‘indirect mention,’ illusion is ‘false impression,’ and delusion is ‘deception’ which is much stronger than illusion
2. hallucination is from disturbed sensory perceptions; delusion is from disturbed thinking
3. an illusion is an image or conception of something actual or real that presents itself to the mind in an abnormal or distorted manner; a delusion is a false belief about oneself or other people that persists despite its being at variance with the facts
Source: Roget’s New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
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* = informal or slang
Oktober 22, 2007 at 8:31
Maybe the ‘Better Man’ from the sophisticated north can explain then why the Scots, Irish, Welsh, French and pretty much everyone else in the NH also despise the English! You guys basically managed to win 2 important rugby games in 4 years – and luckily for you it was at a very fortuitous time but the word ‘fluke’ comes to mind! You lost the Rugby, lost the Football, lost the F1, lost the cricket! Name me a trophy that the English currently hold – darts maybe?? Snooker?? Perfect games for fat balding men drinking pints in pubs!! You did get one thing right… England were rubbish!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 8:48
“The Better Men” – You should have gone to Specsavers mate!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 10:50
What language are you speaking??
Oktober 22, 2007 at 11:12
Wat ookal, dit was darem ‘n paar minute spanning, in ‘n andersins maar vervelige wedstryd.
Die engelse se mentaliteit het meer na vore gekom in die skrums…
Oktober 22, 2007 at 12:27
Ja, laat hulle nou net verloor, dan kom die kommingeite deur in die vorm van sinnelose beledigings.
Shame, ek sit sommer vir Leon Schuster op jou, Soutie. Hy’t juis gistraand so mooi op Carte Blanche verduidelik hoekom die manne so gehuil het in die wereldbeker…
Oktober 22, 2007 at 15:25
Dood moet maar altyd ‘n oorsaak he – al moet mens nou ook na strooihalms gryp. Shame.
Oktober 22, 2007 at 18:27
Dubiarugbyfan – you are just showing how bitter you are for not having the good fortune to be born English. OK, we ruled the world , but that was good for the world, afterall, we gave you modern civilisation. It is only to be expected that those who couldn’t rise to such heights are riven with envy and bitterness.
Oktober 22, 2007 at 18:54
To: The Better Men – if we have to revert to getting really low now – you English would not even have won the Anglo Boer War if you did not sink as low as you did by abducting Boer wives and children!
6+7 = 13, which is still less than 15, so even then you would still have lost. Piss off now and go play!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 18:59
The angle is inconclusive, however that doesn’t mean the 4th official was incorrect. If you looked at this from the other side of the line i rather suspect it would look out.
The try was in doubt and by the rules should be disallowed.
“margin of 9 points (15 – 6), more than a converted try if you think about it.”
This is a bit of a numpty statement, that assume that the saffers would still have scored there 3rd and 4th kick. At 10-9 that is a less likely result, england would have been defending a lead rather than chasing.
Did the best team win? Yes
Was it a try? Who really knows it so close, but there was doubt so no it shouldn’t be given.
Were England ever likely to get the rub of the green from Irish refs and Australian TMO? Probably not, as evidenced by some slightly favourable decisions in SA favour. But all teams get luck at the right moment.
Were England lucky to be in the final?
No they were best team against Australia and France but got beat by a classy SA team, who gave nothing to our forwards, and outplayed us.
Oktober 22, 2007 at 19:14
Im a bit taken about by the anti english vibe here!! I thought it was a great cup and SA should be damn proud of the win. SA is a really sad place today, full of terribel racial injutice both white and black etc. terrible poverty, diesease and political infighting, nazi war criminal issues from the past etc so to come through all of that i think you did great!!! The brits life is a breeze compared.
Not sure if it was a try or not as its just too close and the pics are too blurry.
One last comment. The tait penalty was a bad call. Steyn fell right on top and should have been penalised. I have always disliked alain and this doesnt help!!
Ah well, heres to the future. got some great talent coming through so should be fun!
mike, london
Oktober 22, 2007 at 19:35
First off it wasn’t a try. Most Englishmen agree with this, maybe not the ones that come on here, but I can honestly say that I don’t know anyone that disagrees with the TMO.
Secondly, in response to:
‘name me a trophy that the English currently hold – darts maybe??’
Ricky Hatton, Junoir Witter, Clinton Woods (current boxing world champs)
That ain’t too bad to start with is it?
Oktober 22, 2007 at 19:40
These pictures show that his shadow was in touch. Thats all. He went out, but after the try was scored.
Would Australia, NZ, SA have been given that? You bet!
Hollow victory boys.
Oktober 22, 2007 at 19:52
. Eng and SA played mens rugby. All the moaning from aus and NZ about flowing rugby…go play leauge you bunch of girls. Rucks, mauls, srums its more that 50% of the game and we are damn good at it. Im pleased that it wasnt aus or NZ in the final aswell.They have raped and pilaged the pacific islanders too much over the years.Give the islanders their own team and pay them properly and we are al doomed. They were bored to play!!!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 20:03
1. The mail is a shite nationalist paper that 99% of the time talks out of its arse so please dont read it – at any rate why are you paying attentin to that?? every single other paper didnt focus on that at all!
2. http://www.timspring.co.uk/englandrugbyworldcupfinal.gif
Id say it was far from conclusive – you cant tell if it was touching the line or not…
Having said that, you win some you lose some decisions in rugby, and that is life, SA deserves (just) to win onthe day and weel done the Boks.:)
Oktober 22, 2007 at 20:13
LOL! No matter what the bad ‘winners’ say no one can explain why the touch judge who has a perfect view of the feet NEVER put his flag up for touch. You all know you were lucky to get a hollow, fake win from that aussie ref….you just weren’t good enough to do it properly and you know it!
Oktober 22, 2007 at 20:51
Chris, you’re right. Most English supporters are not whinging bad losers. In fact, I lived in England for a few years (like most privileged young Saffers do), and in general the British are one of the most gracious and well mannered nations I’ve come across. Yobs and losers like “Better Men” above are luckily in the minority. This post is a dig at them. The English team fought hard and surprised everyone in the tournament, well done. Don’t spoil it by whinging about untrue stories.
Oktober 22, 2007 at 21:00
This quote is from the same article: Over the six weeks of this magnificent tournament, South Africa have shown themselves to be the strongest, fiercest, most resilient rugby team on Earth. And English hopes that they might somehow be countered and conquered died a lingering death in the Stade de France.
EN ons praat meer tale as hulle! Wie’s beter?
Oktober 22, 2007 at 23:12
None of you have an answer to the touch judge question because you know the try was good. So it’s SA man of the match and SA man of the tournament awarded to Stuart Dickinson! LOL! Afterall, he won the cup for you since you couldn’t do it for yourselves.
Oktober 23, 2007 at 0:05
Now a little rugby lesson for all you bitter boks out there: why was the try disallowed? Cueto was ‘in touch’. OK, if we make the huge assumption the australian incompetent got it right then what comes after a ruling of ‘in touch’? I’ll tell so you can keep up – it is called a ‘lineout’. OK – what does the ref award? A penalty. Why? An SA infringement to prevent the try – ergo, should have given a penalty try and you would have gone home, as you really are, losers!
Oktober 23, 2007 at 9:23
The Real Champs –
Bit of an arrogant way of saying it, however, i got to admit, good point. Was the penalty actually for bakkes tackle on cueto though?
Any way silly debate. SA won. I still think that percy is a right tart though! Dont touch my hair!
Oktober 23, 2007 at 10:58
Bitter Saffers? What do we have to be bitter about? In fact we are the exact opposite of bitter. If you are really disputing the ‘no try’ decision (and i have a feeling you’re just trying to wind us up) then you are blind. The photos show it clearly as being out….sounds like you’re the only bitter ones out there.
Fact remains: South Africa are the undisputed Rugby World Champions. They were the better side on the day (lineouts, kicking, defence….the list goes on). In fact they were the better side the whole tournament. Don’t forget in the two games we played you in the RWC the total score tally: SA 51 – ENG 6. Says it all buddy.
Oktober 23, 2007 at 15:14
Boks 51 (36 + 15)
Poms 6 (0 + 6)
Oktober 23, 2007 at 15:22
The touch judges were French and Kiwi – see – it must be a conspiracy because everyone knows how much we (French, Irish, Aussies and Kiwis)all hate the English! What nationality do the English wany to ref their games?? Get real you lost a game of rugby, its not an international incident! And while you are complaining about Burger not getting carded, do any of you recall a minor incident involving a shove in the back by Toby Flood!! Talk about dangerous play! That should have been at least a yellow if not a red!
Oktober 23, 2007 at 19:21
to Mike and The Better Man……..
i am english and believe nothing that you’ve said better man…all rubbish. Learn to accept defeat, and also, be glad that we made the final cus we didn’t even deserve to beat the aussie’s.
And Mike..your comment on england rugby, give it a break, england have played crap rugby all tournament and the semi’s and finals were probably two of the most terribly played matches. ok teams played just to win, but it’s destroying the game of rugby. How will rugby continue to grow if it is played in such a fashion? the kicking was far too much and mostly rubbish and the english backs never looked like doing anything with the ball. We need a new fly half who can attack, cus as much as everyone else loves johnny, he hasn’t got an attack, only a kick and defence….
Oktober 23, 2007 at 22:03
As a neutral, I’m delighted to see South Africa win. England whinged incessantly about the ref after 2003, even as Champions, and their style of play is a bad ad for rugby.
Oktober 23, 2007 at 22:20
Thanks to The Better Men – you really are a funny bunch, you certainly made me laugh!
what a silly point re “why did the touch judge not call it out”, isnt’t it!
say after me (and i’ll spell it out for you):
D-O-U-B-T
end of story
see you in 4 years’ time!
cheers
Oktober 24, 2007 at 8:57
Steve – an apology due, you are correct about the boxers and I for one will be cheering on Hitman against Mayweather in Dec!!
Oktober 24, 2007 at 9:29
i cant believe all these english losers. The evidence is inconclusive. they definately are bad losers. Hulle moet rugby los vir die groot manne van die Suid. Die enigste noordelike nasie vat ordentlik rugby speel is Frankryk.
Oktober 24, 2007 at 10:34
Not very bright below the equator are you. for those posters who have inadvertently proven me right – yes, if there is doubt from the touch judge and the inconclusive video then he is in play and not in touch. Hence valid try. Whine as you will, you know you only scraped that ‘win’ due to a refereeing error. Good luck next time in winning it fairly.
Oktober 24, 2007 at 10:58
\”Whine as you will\” rhymes with \”thirty-six – nil\”.
Good luck next time in winning anything: McLaren\’s cheating catching up with Hamilton, England\’s Euro 2008 mess, Dad\’s Rugger Army. Nuff said.
Oktober 24, 2007 at 11:20
LOL! Yet more bitterness from the boks. I do note you still have no answers to the key points I made which means you have to accept the try was scored and you were handed the match by the TMO because you couldn’t win it fairly. Dickinson has also revealed he didn’t get frame by frame footage from the French so had to guess by the real-time footage we all know is inconclusive. Better luck next time in winning a RWC fairly.
Oktober 24, 2007 at 15:00
Being English and a huge rugby fan, I could not have hoped more than to have seen England win on Saturday.
However, the Bokke won and in my mind rightly so. They were by far the more superior team. Cueto did not score the try, whatever he himself might say.
The only piece of credit I can bestow upon my own country’s game was the fact that we stuck to our pre-match intentions of shutting Habana out the game, something no other side managed. I think I heard his name mentioned once or twice during the match. So for that, a moral vitory!
However, as was proven on the day, this did not prevent the Boks from winning, proving they are so much more than a one man team (which was obvious anyway!)
Well done the Boks, you lightened up this wonderful World Cup no end.
Oktober 24, 2007 at 15:08
To Christopher:
“How will rugby continue to grow if it is played in such a fashion?”
Erm who says it needs to? England in the RWC finals 3 times in a row. Best team in all IMO and luckily managed to win one of them. And been in 4 of the 6 finals in total.Not bad at all i think!!
If you think rugby needs to ‘grow’ by turning it into a copycat version of league….erm go and support league and leave the real men to the full scope of what we lovingly know as union.
Prick!
As for the SA fans, many of you i think are great fun and a real asset to the rugby community. A few of the nasty little gits im sad to say come across as a bunch of arrogant, bigotted, racist, white supremacists.
Oktober 25, 2007 at 9:52
Hier’s die bewys: http://rendier.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/engeland-was-reg/
“England in the RWC finals 3 times in a rowEngland in the RWC finals 3 times in a row”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but 3 in a row? 1991 (vs Aus), 2003(vs Aus), 2007 (vs SA). Mike, I think you skipped 1999. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_World_Cup)
Oktober 25, 2007 at 10:03
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Oktober 26, 2007 at 17:30
So funny….England gave the game away due to their poor dicipline…tripping a bok player in kicking range….hands in the ruck on their tryline..
BTW…there was no proof that a potensial penalty was going to be scored at the time SA commited the foal, so no penalty try…keep on digging though, you are just making yourself look even worse.
Oktober 27, 2007 at 16:25
The lineref was in no possition to make a “in touch ” call.gGo watch the replay.The bok player was between him(line ref) and Cueto.You can also look at the firts pic posted on this site…note the line ref’s line of site….no way he would be able to tell.
We are not the bitter one….I’m actually happy a s hell🙂
Oktober 30, 2007 at 11:18
From England…. well done SA, you deserved the win with a great team and coach. The final was a step too far for us, and I thought at the time it wasn’t a try after seeing the videos. His toes clearly touched the line (although it wasn’t the “12-15cm” that Dickinson claimed), he was in touch before grounding the ball.
I apologise for the loudmouth English, they infest every part of the Net… but all the people I know in real life agree that although Dickinson wouldn’t give us a decision in a million years, that was the correct one. Most of us are just happy that the boys turned things around after the 36-0 whitewashing you gave us, and would rather be beaten in the final by SA than any other side. I like the SA people and don’t feel any bitterness at all. Good luck to you!
I remember in 2004 the Webb Ellis Trophy did a tour of England, it was fantastic to stand next to it and show my kids… If you get the chance, try to go and see it and get a photo. Congrats again, and let’s all start planning for the next World Cup! Too far and too expensive for me, but let’s hope it will be as good as this one.
mj@mjwsolutions.com
November 1, 2007 at 10:41
Vat so julle varke!
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